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 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:25 pm |
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Suwanee88 wrote: I have never said Clint Hurdle is perfect, but he is the leader of this team on the field and on the field is where they play the fucking game - you guys expect more and I think he is doing a good job - I am not going to convince you of that and you certainly are not going to convince me so lets just agree to disagree.
I know of only one thing - the Pirates are 67-54 and in the playoff mix. You guys think they should be better - you cant do shit with should. I deal with reality - its a team effort - Hurdle is the leader of this team on the field. I don't think they should be better. I KNOW they should...they should be at least two wins better. In a league where the difference between playoffs and no playoffs is likely to be one game...this two wins Hurdle turned into losses could prove fatal. You, of course, will point to payroll disparity if the Pirates fall one game short of the post-season, when in reality they could be there with their limited payroll but for those dumbassed decisions. _________________ I know this, your ability to think concisely, your ability to make good judgments is much easier on Thursday night than during the heat of the game. -Bill Walsh 
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:28 pm |
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Jeemie wrote: Suwanee88 wrote: I have never said Clint Hurdle is perfect, but he is the leader of this team on the field and on the field is where they play the fucking game - you guys expect more and I think he is doing a good job - I am not going to convince you of that and you certainly are not going to convince me so lets just agree to disagree.
I know of only one thing - the Pirates are 67-54 and in the playoff mix. You guys think they should be better - you cant do shit with should. I deal with reality - its a team effort - Hurdle is the leader of this team on the field. I don't think they should be better. I KNOW they should...they should be at least two wins better. In a league where the difference between playoffs and no playoffs is likely to be one game...this two wins Hurdle turned into losses could prove fatal. You, of course, will point to payroll disparity if the Pirates fall one game short of the post-season, when in reality they could be there with their limited payroll but for those dumbassed decisions. So in your world, Hurdle has blown 2 games and I will give that to you Jeemie - but here is a question - how many games would John Russell have on this team if he were the manager?
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:29 pm |
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Suwanee88 wrote: Jeemie wrote: Suwanee88 wrote: I have never said Clint Hurdle is perfect, but he is the leader of this team on the field and on the field is where they play the fucking game - you guys expect more and I think he is doing a good job - I am not going to convince you of that and you certainly are not going to convince me so lets just agree to disagree.
I know of only one thing - the Pirates are 67-54 and in the playoff mix. You guys think they should be better - you cant do shit with should. I deal with reality - its a team effort - Hurdle is the leader of this team on the field. I don't think they should be better. I KNOW they should...they should be at least two wins better. In a league where the difference between playoffs and no playoffs is likely to be one game...this two wins Hurdle turned into losses could prove fatal. You, of course, will point to payroll disparity if the Pirates fall one game short of the post-season, when in reality they could be there with their limited payroll but for those dumbassed decisions. So in your world, Hurdle has blown 2 games and I will give that to you Jeemie - but here is a question - how many games would John Russell have on this team if he were the manager? I don't know. John Russell never managed this team. And, as I said, Hurdle doesn't get free rein to be a moron just because of the other good things he has done. The tactical and strategic mistakes he has made are mistakes high school managers wouldn't make. _________________ I know this, your ability to think concisely, your ability to make good judgments is much easier on Thursday night than during the heat of the game. -Bill Walsh
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Suwanee88
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:31 pm |
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Jeemie wrote: Suwanee88 wrote: Jeemie wrote: Suwanee88 wrote: I have never said Clint Hurdle is perfect, but he is the leader of this team on the field and on the field is where they play the fucking game - you guys expect more and I think he is doing a good job - I am not going to convince you of that and you certainly are not going to convince me so lets just agree to disagree.
I know of only one thing - the Pirates are 67-54 and in the playoff mix. You guys think they should be better - you cant do shit with should. I deal with reality - its a team effort - Hurdle is the leader of this team on the field. I don't think they should be better. I KNOW they should...they should be at least two wins better. In a league where the difference between playoffs and no playoffs is likely to be one game...this two wins Hurdle turned into losses could prove fatal. You, of course, will point to payroll disparity if the Pirates fall one game short of the post-season, when in reality they could be there with their limited payroll but for those dumbassed decisions. So in your world, Hurdle has blown 2 games and I will give that to you Jeemie - but here is a question - how many games would John Russell have on this team if he were the manager? I don't know. John Russell never managed this team.  You lose.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:37 pm |
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Russell has not managed these players, so I don't know how he'd behave with them.
And again, it's irrelevant anyway.
As I said, that Hurdle may be better than Russell doesn't mean I need to give him free rein to act like a moron.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:44 pm |
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Jeemie wrote: Russell has not managed these players, so I don't know how he'd behave with them.
And again, it's irrelevant anyway.
As I said, that Hurdle may be better than Russell doesn't mean I need to give him free rein to act like a moron. Get real man - just say it - Russell would have just as many wins as Hurdle -
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:55 pm |
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Suwanee88 wrote: Jeemie wrote: Russell has not managed these players, so I don't know how he'd behave with them.
And again, it's irrelevant anyway.
As I said, that Hurdle may be better than Russell doesn't mean I need to give him free rein to act like a moron. Get real man - just say it - Russell would have just as many wins as Hurdle - Let me know when you're ready to discuss the specific points I raised instead of falling off into irrelevancies. _________________ I know this, your ability to think concisely, your ability to make good judgments is much easier on Thursday night than during the heat of the game. -Bill Walsh
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:07 pm |
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Jeemie wrote: Suwanee88 wrote: I have never said Clint Hurdle is perfect, but he is the leader of this team on the field and on the field is where they play the fucking game - you guys expect more and I think he is doing a good job - I am not going to convince you of that and you certainly are not going to convince me so lets just agree to disagree.
I know of only one thing - the Pirates are 67-54 and in the playoff mix. You guys think they should be better - you cant do shit with should. I deal with reality - its a team effort - Hurdle is the leader of this team on the field. I don't think they should be better. I KNOW they should...they should be at least two wins better. In a league where the difference between playoffs and no playoffs is likely to be one game...this two wins Hurdle turned into losses could prove fatal. You, of course, will point to payroll disparity if the Pirates fall one game short of the post-season, when in reality they could be there with their limited payroll but for those dumbassed decisions. That isn't really fair. He's made some questionable decisions recently and gotten burned. He's made some good decisions though throughout the year that go unnoticed that have put players in position to win games. People only notice the 1 mistake a manager makes and not the 10 other right decisions he makes. I give him a C grade for strategy/in game management. Not terrible and not great.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:38 pm |
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SteelPro wrote: Jeemie wrote: Suwanee88 wrote: I have never said Clint Hurdle is perfect, but he is the leader of this team on the field and on the field is where they play the fucking game - you guys expect more and I think he is doing a good job - I am not going to convince you of that and you certainly are not going to convince me so lets just agree to disagree.
I know of only one thing - the Pirates are 67-54 and in the playoff mix. You guys think they should be better - you cant do shit with should. I deal with reality - its a team effort - Hurdle is the leader of this team on the field. I don't think they should be better. I KNOW they should...they should be at least two wins better. In a league where the difference between playoffs and no playoffs is likely to be one game...this two wins Hurdle turned into losses could prove fatal. You, of course, will point to payroll disparity if the Pirates fall one game short of the post-season, when in reality they could be there with their limited payroll but for those dumbassed decisions. That isn't really fair. He's made some questionable decisions recently and gotten burned. He's made some good decisions though throughout the year that go unnoticed that have put players in position to win games. People only notice the 1 mistake a manager makes and not the 10 other right decisions he makes. I give him a C grade for strategy/in game management. Not terrible and not great. _________________ "......was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor ?....." SteelerTilIDie: Steeler Einstein viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23436
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:58 pm |
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66-54, when was the last time that happened? Sorta answers the question doesn't it?
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