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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:36 pm |
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bradshaw2ben wrote: Quote: I made one mock draft and picked Harrison Smith in round 1 and had people laugh at me for it. The problem with that pick is, it pulls Troy out of the box. I don't think Harrison Smith is the top FS or top Safety fit for the Steelers and their needs/D as presently constructed/state of the NFL. The Steelers could most use a versatile guy... someone who is not a liability in centerfield and, if they're really lucky, who can also cover a TE or slot player and mix it up in the run game. If there was ever a year for hybrid players, this is it. DaQuan Menzie, Josh Norman, Omar Bolden, Micah Pellerin, Brandon Hardin, Justin Bethel, Johnson Bademosi... the type of player I think fits. DaQuan Menzie, Norman, Bethel, Hardin, Bademosi all very interesting to me. Or my boy Chris Greenwood from Albion
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:34 pm |
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I looked at him and at one time had him in that group. I think he's pretty much an outside CB in the NFL, though. He's got mad explosiveness and athleticism but he's damn raw. I would totally see drafting as a developmental CB... a couple of years in a good environment and he might really be something.
Bademosi has almost exactly the same measurables, except he's a little bigger, a little faster, played D-1, and is probably a bit smarter, being a Stanford dude. If you're going to look at developmental projects at FS (as opposed to CB), why not Bademosi?
I think DeQuan Menzie could see the field week one for the Steelers as a nickel or dime DB. Understands the system, and he's not a matchup issue, whether they get him isolated in the slot or in an interior zone or playing high in C1/C2/C3.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:13 pm |
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Greenwood is very like Cortez Allen. Tall, physical Cb that has played mostly. if not all, Man-to-man in college. He is a freaky athlete (4.34 40 43" vertical , 11'2 broad jump). and was said to have a high football IQ.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:12 pm |
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Iron_City wrote: I wouldn't say Poe's stock is dropping, I"d say its starting to get back to where it should've been all along. He's not a first RD talent, and now its starting to be recognized. I won't even be shocked to see Poe fall to 3rd Round. Some guys I like starting to get some due are Fletcher Cox, Harrison Smith, and Phillip Blake Has Mike Adams as 3rd OT, not sure I agree, but talent falls off after Kalil. Really like kendall Wright, his skillset screams WCO Cleveland Browns to me Now Mayock has spoken, the twitter hacks are sure to adjust their rankings accordingly. Mayock Rankings http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d ... le=HP11_cpFunny you mention twitter hacks adjusting their rankings to match Mayock's. He just adjusted his again today pretty significantly to get in line with what he's hearing from teams. That tells me he trusts others opinions more than his own film watching. I see he moved Poe back up to #2 at DT and Glenn to #3 OT. Looks like my bet with IC is safe. Chandler Jones #1 DE, Menzie 4th Safety, and Mcclellin #1 OLB is a bit curious.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:57 pm |
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Quote: Chandler Jones #1 DE, Menzie 4th Safety, and Mcclellin #1 OLB is a bit curious. I buy Menzie and McClellin. I've been saying for a few weeks now that I thought Menzie might make a nice DB tweener... good covering slot guys, good in centerfield... good nickel back. After Barron and Smith... I'm not even sure who would be better than who out of any of the remaining guys. Menzie's game fits the pros better than, say, Iloka's McRay has issues, Trent Robinson has character flags and on and on. When you factor in all-around game and base mostly on college career, with a little measurement to make sure... McClellin is better than most if not all the 3-4 OLBs.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:14 pm |
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SteelPerch wrote: Funny you mention twitter hacks adjusting their rankings to match Mayock's. He just adjusted his again today pretty significantly to get in line with what he's hearing from teams. That tells me he trusts others opinions more than his own film watching. I see he moved Poe back up to #2 at DT and Glenn to #3 OT. Looks like my bet with IC is safe. Chandler Jones #1 DE, Menzie 4th Safety, and Mcclellin #1 OLB is a bit curious. I'm still going to go with my gut that says every team had every player 95% evaluated from game tape before they even cared about how fast a 400 lb guy can run a 40 time. Same with Adams, and Glenn All 3 may go in R1, and all 3 will be misses
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:52 pm |
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Iron_City wrote: I'm still going to go with my gut that says every team had every player 95% evaluated from game tape before they even cared about how fast a 400 lb guy can run a 40 time. Same with Adams, and Glenn
All 3 may go in R1, and all 3 will be misses Of the 3 guys we talked about (Poe, Adams, & Glenn) Adams is the one I see as having legit 1st round talent. That said, he has way too many red flags for most teams to take early. He's got rare size/mobility, but is also a dipshit who apparently doesn't care much about football. Just from watching him play, I think he has potential to be a top notch LT in the league. It seems like he'll never get there because he's a lazy, unmotivated guy, with a weed problem. Glenn could go either way. I'm just not sure where I'd play him, RT or RG seem like the best fits. I don't think he'll be a bust because he was pretty good against good competition, but I don't see his ceiling being all that high. He will likely struggle with speed off the edge and doesn't move well enough to be a pulling guard. As a power RG/RT, is he worth a 1st round pick? Not sure if I'd do it, but somebody will. (Cincy or Cleveland could be good fits) Poe is a planet theory guy who played out of position in college and has mediocre tape against mediocre competition. Anyway you slice it, he's a big gamble in the first round. He could be a home run, he could easily be a bust. I still don't see any way he gets out of round 1.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:37 pm |
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Controversial take: I wouldn't be surprised at all if McClellin ends up a better player than every other pass rusher selected before him this year. Lots and lots of bust potential for the higher DE/OLBs in this draft.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:06 am |
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I wouldn't call you crazy for that, TB. McClellin has a very high floor IMO. He does too many things too well to be a bust. I don't ever see him being a consistent 12+ sack a year guy, but worst case he is a solid all around player. All of these other pass rushers have high ceilings and low floors. I'd bet money at least half of them bust and maybe 1 or 2 really pan out.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:04 am |
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SteelPerch wrote: I wouldn't call you crazy for that, TB. McClellin has a very high floor IMO. He does too many things too well to be a bust. I don't ever see him being a consistent 12+ sack a year guy, but worst case he is a solid all around player. All of these other pass rushers have high ceilings and low floors. I'd bet money at least half of them bust and maybe 1 or 2 really pan out. When Boise played Georgia did McClelin face Glenn at any point? If they did face each other be real curious how that panned out.
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