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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:35 pm |
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smithessmokin wrote: Iron_City wrote: I guess I just don't see the logic in drafting someone at 250 hoping they'll be something different at 225
I wanna see game film at 225
same debate is going with with Alshon Jeffrey Hightower weighs like 260lbs. He'd be playing around 240. Not that I'm nitpicking your criticism. By I think that is the ideal weight that a ILB should be at. I don't think his point is about the "right" weight; it's about how a change in weight affects what a player can do. If you're asking him to drop weight, he's less of a known quantity.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:46 pm |
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smithessmokin wrote: Any chance that if we draft this guy, we ask him to lose 25lbs? I think the question you have to ask is this guy going to be 285 in three seasons and a pocket full of cash. I'm starting to think Zeitler at #24. ZERO questions on what he can or cant do, just how good can he get, seems like a slam dunk plug and play for the next 10 seasons.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:03 am |
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If Hightower was all that, he wouldn't be projected 14 picks after Kuechly. Hightower seems to easily retain weight. Not great for a 3-4 ILB who is going to be asked to cover elite backs and TEs at times.
Zeitler is a monster and road grader, but I haven't seen enough of him in pass protection which is really the key. For him to be a #24 pick overall, I need to feel fairly certain he can handle quick DTs and fast stunting LBs.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:15 am |
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cop1211 wrote: smithessmokin wrote: Any chance that if we draft this guy, we ask him to lose 25lbs? I think the question you have to ask is this guy going to be 285 in three seasons and a pocket full of cash. I'm starting to think Zeitler at #24. ZERO questions on what he can or cant do, just how good can he get, seems like a slam dunk plug and play for the next 10 seasons. I think NT is more likely at 24 than a OG. Looking to next year they lose Hampton so they will get his replacement this year.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:41 pm |
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Is Zeitler a left side player? I'm not sure he's a pass protector against the quicker DTs. If not, there's not a chance in hell I'd pick him in the first round for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If you truly think he can be a pro bowl LG, then, sure.
I think Jeff Allen, Osemele, Kelemete, Brandon Washington, even Amini Silatolu better options to fit the need. As much as has been written about Rishaw Johnson... I think even he would fit the need better... that is, unless you think Zeitler's position in the pros is LG. Those who know him better will have to answer that question but he seems like a solid RG with enough movement skills to be in a ZBS.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:34 pm |
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bradshaw2ben wrote: Is Zeitler a left side player? I'm not sure he's a pass protector against the quicker DTs. If not, there's not a chance in hell I'd pick him in the first round for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If you truly think he can be a pro bowl LG, then, sure.
I think Jeff Allen, Osemele, Kelemete, Brandon Washington, even Amini Silatolu better options to fit the need. As much as has been written about Rishaw Johnson... I think even he would fit the need better... that is, unless you think Zeitler's position in the pros is LG. Those who know him better will have to answer that question but he seems like a solid RG with enough movement skills to be in a ZBS. B2B, while watching the combine I made a mental note that I hope the Steelers do not draft Rishaw Johnson. He looked absolutely clueless and frustrated during drills. Coaches had to stop a drill and reportedly called him out in front of other linemen. Granted I never saw a down of the kid play at Cal (PA) but his poor showing and lack of poise at the combine didn’t leave a positive impression on me. A couple other late rd types that I remember not impressing me while watching the combine were John Cullen and Marcel Jones. Both showed zero athletic ability struggling in drills with Jones only doing 13 reps and crawling to a 5.68 40. Oh yeah and Michael Brewster another kid that I thought struggled mightily at the combine and given Steelers like for Buckeyes I kinda hope he’s avoided too.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:41 pm |
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I only saw Hightower play a couple of time and what stuck out to me its that he always seemed to get caught up in the wash. I never saw him go sideline to sideline. And as much as I think that running the ball and stopping the run is still vital to winning in the NFL, your LBs need to be able to cover and be able to cover some ground. I don't see that with Hightower. Or at least I haven't seen it yet.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:16 pm |
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Drama, I'm not a Rishaw fan... I just have entirely stopped looking at right side only OL for the Pittsburgh Steelers, so I include him since I think there's a least a one in a million chance he could be a left side guy. I truly could care less if a guy is a devastating road grader if he can't pass protect, if he doesn't have short space mobility or the ability to pull. I don't want fat guys or sloths who can't protect the franchise. Now... you tell me that a kid is mobile, agile, and hostile... and is a bender with long arms... sign me up. I don't care where he played or how long he's been playing the position... he's a possible.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:44 pm |
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b2b, Zeitler played right side in a similar manner to DeCastro. Zeitler pulled constantly. He also made Devon Still and Jerel Worthy look like 3rd rounders.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:18 pm |
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I want to know what he looks like vs. a pass-rushing 4-3 3 tech, because that's the thing that's sucked most about our LG for years and years.
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