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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:09 pm 
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Hell, this community already dubbed Jason Worilds a bust. A guy that can't get on the field behind 2 All Pro's, a converted DE that didn't have an offseason to begin to work on his craft.


The other side of the coin is... Never liked the pick because the guy has a massive injury history, and since being drafted hasn't shown much when given an opportunity- in training camp or when the starting OLB's went down with injury. I suppose that one could argue the same about James Harrison, but then- where was Harrison drafted again? Woodley sure as shit didn't take too much time to shine, either, did he?

Now, maybe Dick Lebeau isn't preparing Worilds properly, or dooming him to "bad assignments"- but I think it's far more likely the guy just isn't working out as planned. It's OK, just like Lonzo Jackson and other 2nd rounders, his draft position will assure him a minimum of 2 camps even if he sucks the shit out of a camel's ass in terms of his play.


he and alonzo jackson/bruce davis are "worilds" apart in terms of play.

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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:30 pm 
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By that logic just about anyone is better in the big nickel then a NT
I don't dislike the idea of a hybrid player or more flexibility
I don't doubt the steelers kNow their LBs
I don't understand or really agree with the conclusions being reached about his ability to cover

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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:16 pm 
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I don't understand or really agree with the conclusions being reached about his ability to cover


he was deemed good enough to be drafted in the 3rd RD by the Pittsburgh Steelers

still need more?

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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:18 pm 
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I tend to think that he's more equipped to defend running plays out of passing sets ... he hits the holes and closes quickly ... and to cover RBs out of the backfield; basically to spy RBs in our big nickel. They may have him watching TEs in short zones, but I really don't see what he'd bring by covering a guy downfield that is 7 or 8 inches taller than him. What his presence will hopefully bring to the big nickel packages is that it will free up Troy to play a little more centerfield than he has recently. I'd still expect that Cortez Allen would line up across a Gronkowski type.

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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:24 pm 
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By that logic just about anyone is better in the big nickel then a NT


True. and who are you gonna sub in on 3rd down and long against the Ravens 2 te sets? Spence I'm guessing or a nickel back of some sorts that can potentially tackle or cover ray rice before he can get a 1st down. There was a shortage of 3 down ILB for the 3-4 in this year's drraft. The steelers will use a nickllebacker and a 2 down run stuffing NT to cover all 3 downs & distances, basically using those two players to fulfill what one Patrick Willis can do. That's my guess at least.

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I don't understand or really agree with the conclusions being reached about his ability to cover


Remember this is based on a projected skillset. I doubt we have anything set in stone. But, if you read the article the giants masked their zone coverages by using middle linebackers to cover the deep zone in cover 3 and then the safeties doubled up on some underneath stuff. This is all to confuse the QB who can't determine who the safeties are(I'm thinking).
Presnap they showed 2 deep safeties. After the snap a linebacker went to the deep middle and the 2 safeties cheated up to play in the box.


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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:53 pm 
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Worilds is entering his 3rd year now. He's shown a few flashes, but let's be honest, we would have liked to see more out of him, especially with the injuries to Harrison and Lamar last year.

He doesn't seem to have the same burst to the edge he had in college. Not sure if that is because he was asked to retain weight to hold up against the run. Either way, he could do better. He has clear room for improvement.

It took Harrison a long time to get to All-Pro levels and hopefully Worilds can get there more quickly.


A few things --

- This is the year when we'll see what we've got in Worilds. By the third year, the light should have turned on. I don't really have much of an opinion of him based on his first two years. But I do know two things -- he's been a very good ST player and he's been steady, if unremarkable, in his spot duty for Harrison and Woodley.

- If I had to guess, I'd say the burst is lacking because he's still learning what he needs to do. He's thinking and not playing. Like I said, I think another year of experience will only help him in this respect.

- I think your expectations are a little high if your bench mark is an All-Pro player drafted in the second round. Sure, it happens, and it could happen with Worilds. But it's not realistic. If Worilds ends up just being a good player, or even a solid, reliable back up and special teamer, it's a decent pick. He's probably not going to step in for Harrison when he retires and not miss a beat.


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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:59 pm 
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Worilds is entering his 3rd year now. He's shown a few flashes, but let's be honest, we would have liked to see more out of him, especially with the injuries to Harrison and Lamar last year.

He doesn't seem to have the same burst to the edge he had in college. Not sure if that is because he was asked to retain weight to hold up against the run. Either way, he could do better. He has clear room for improvement.

It took Harrison a long time to get to All-Pro levels and hopefully Worilds can get there more quickly.


A few things --

- This is the year when we'll see what we've got in Worilds. By the third year, the light should have turned on. I don't really have much of an opinion of him based on his first two years. But I do know two things -- he's been a very good ST player and he's been steady, if unremarkable, in his spot duty for Harrison and Woodley.

- If I had to guess, I'd say the burst is lacking because he's still learning what he needs to do. He's thinking and not playing. Like I said, I think another year of experience will only help him in this respect.

- I think your expectations are a little high if your bench mark is an All-Pro player drafted in the second round. Sure, it happens, and it could happen with Worilds. But it's not realistic. If Worilds ends up just being a good player, or even a solid, reliable back up and special teamer, it's a decent pick. He's probably not going to step in for Harrison when he retires and not miss a beat.


As a frame of reference only 25% of 1st rounders make a pro bowl. Getting a long term starter from 2nd round is success and as you noted a long term back up/STer is still a solid pick.

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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:04 pm 
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I occasionally go to Steeler Depot as their podcasts have interviews with players and other folks with interesting takes. Today they had Miami play by play guy on, he likes Spence a bunch, said his instincts are fantastic and sees him with potential to be a Zach Thomas type (that would be outstanding). He also commented on Rainey and really focused on the fact kid produced in best conference in college football, week in week out against top notch talent. Believes if kid can keep his act together Steelers have a special player on their hands that projects to slot one day and all around returner, jack of trades type. It was interesting interview, if you can stand to listen to the hosts it is worth the wait to hear Miami guy.

ttp://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/05/the ... s-episode/

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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:52 pm 
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i heard his D-coord from the U talking him up today.

said spence was always a 4.5s guy whenever they ran. seems like good news.

said spence had added a good amount of weight since the season. seemed like good news...and then. wait.

he was a 4.5s guy in the fall, then put on a bunch of weight and was a 230# 4.7s guy by the combine?

people say his tape shows a guy a lot faster and more athletic than his combine numbers imply. i believe them.

but if fast-athletic-as-seen-on-tv-spence weighed 215-220 when he was making those plays, things start making sense in a way that concerns me about him as a long term starting ilb. that said, 220/4.55 etc. are nice splits for a SS.


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 Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:15 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhu1SAboTwU

Yes he isnt perfect but consider Spence played on mediocre Miami team. He makes plays all over the field. Yes he misses some plays, gets caught in the wash and swallowed by big tackles. So what? So does Patrick Willis without protection from dline. What I see is a kid with outstanding instincts, no fear and ability to make plays. I saw Qb pressures, forced fumbles, great coverage, goaline hits, blowing plays up in backfield, tackles preventing big plays and stops. Kid does get washed and shoved out of plays, newsflash so do all ILBs. I believe you can clearly see Spence is far and away best player on Miami's D and despite fears of his size kid is a playmaker.

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