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perry39
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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:38 am |
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Nick79 wrote: perry39 wrote: Nick79 wrote: perry39 wrote: If we passed 100% of the time in the RZ and came up just as empty then what would the reason be? They were too predictable, same as when running too much. They were very predictable with both pass and run...Predictable or not most of the time execution sucked. My thing is, when you line up, it's better if there is DOUBT among the defense as to what is coming. I often feel with the Steelers the defense against them feels pretty confedent they are running, especially 1st and 2nd and goal inside the 10. I want the defenders to be so scared that they might pass that some of them back off and the RB then busts into the end zone when they do call a run. That makes total sense to me. I know what you are saying...Just remember everything gets harder the smaller the red zone gets...I hope the steelers bring the fade into the red zone game just not sure if we have the big WR to do it.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:29 am |
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you were doing fine until your asinine statement that spence was drafted to play safety... once i read that all i could think was:  _________________ This post consists solely of the opinions of the author, and should in no way, shape or form be interpreted as an assertion of fact. 
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:16 am |
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perry39 wrote: Nick79 wrote: perry39 wrote:
They were very predictable with both pass and run...Predictable or not most of the time execution sucked.
My thing is, when you line up, it's better if there is DOUBT among the defense as to what is coming. I often feel with the Steelers the defense against them feels pretty confedent they are running, especially 1st and 2nd and goal inside the 10. I want the defenders to be so scared that they might pass that some of them back off and the RB then busts into the end zone when they do call a run. That makes total sense to me. I know what you are saying...Just remember everything gets harder the smaller the red zone gets...I hope the steelers bring the fade into the red zone game just not sure if we have the big WR to do it. There are 2 types of fade the jump ball in the corner or the beat the d-back to the flag with speed or a cut or a release. I am sure with the wheels that our WR's have that the beat the man to the flag will be in play. Plus that drag that Wallace runs well is murder on a defender trying to stay in stride horizontally and defend against a move vertically toward the end zone. I think this play is under utilized. I like the idea of making a defense defend the 53 and a half yards across as well as vertically. Get people in space and let them use their talent. /rant my 2 cents anyway.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:01 am |
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Nick79 wrote: TB wrote: I don't really agree with the premise here.
I'm pretty damn certain that if DeCastro hadn't been available we would have taken a 270 lbs. ILB at #24. If that had happened, where would that leave these grandiose reflections on the Steelers adapting to the changing NFL? We wouldn't be thinking that.
Colbert sat back, let the rest of the NFL crap themselves with panic moves and reaches, and took a HOF talent at the guard position (yeah, I'm saying it). Not only were we incredibly fortunate a player of DeCastro's talent dropped to us, but he also played at a position that was the weakest overall spot on the Steelers roster. That's a grand slam pick, but I still don't think it represents some move by the Steelers to finally understand it's an offensive league now and that protecting Ben had to be done right now. It was simply BPA, not a move part of some grander plan. Let's just hope that you are wrong and that they are gearing up to play modern NFL football full tilt and drop the antiquated, obsolete garbage for good. Lets hope he is right to avoid ruining the entire league. At least we still know how to play football instead of pass ball.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:06 am |
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Naelae wrote: Nick79 wrote: TB wrote: I don't really agree with the premise here.
I'm pretty damn certain that if DeCastro hadn't been available we would have taken a 270 lbs. ILB at #24. If that had happened, where would that leave these grandiose reflections on the Steelers adapting to the changing NFL? We wouldn't be thinking that.
Colbert sat back, let the rest of the NFL crap themselves with panic moves and reaches, and took a HOF talent at the guard position (yeah, I'm saying it). Not only were we incredibly fortunate a player of DeCastro's talent dropped to us, but he also played at a position that was the weakest overall spot on the Steelers roster. That's a grand slam pick, but I still don't think it represents some move by the Steelers to finally understand it's an offensive league now and that protecting Ben had to be done right now. It was simply BPA, not a move part of some grander plan. Let's just hope that you are wrong and that they are gearing up to play modern NFL football full tilt and drop the antiquated, obsolete garbage for good. Lets hope he is right to avoid ruining the entire league. At least we still know how to play football instead of pass ball. So you'd prefer to play a CERTAIN STYLE, rather than play to WIN using the options that are favored by the rules?
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:06 pm |
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Nick79 wrote: Naelae wrote:
Lets hope he is right to avoid ruining the entire league. At least we still know how to play football instead of pass ball.
So you'd prefer to play a CERTAIN STYLE, rather than play to WIN using the options that are favored by the rules? Naelae prefers a certain style of football the same as you prefer a certain style of football. The two of you prefer different styles. Don't start acting like you care more about winning than playing a CERTAIN STYLE.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:54 pm |
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I don't think we can blame this on Goodell as wasn't one reason that Spence was drafted to help eliminate our inabilty to cover quick running backs catching passes as many teams seem to do well to our detriment. Chris Rainey was then drafted so we could do it, too.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:15 pm |
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Jaxboro wrote: Nick79 wrote: Naelae wrote:
Lets hope he is right to avoid ruining the entire league. At least we still know how to play football instead of pass ball.
So you'd prefer to play a CERTAIN STYLE, rather than play to WIN using the options that are favored by the rules? Naelae prefers a certain style of football the same as you prefer a certain style of football. The two of you prefer different styles. Don't start acting like you care more about winning than playing a CERTAIN STYLE. I do care for winning over a cerytain style, if the rules where changed to make passing impossible and totally favored power running, I would want to go back to a Cowher-like running offense.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:22 pm |
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Nick79 wrote: Jaxboro wrote: Nick79 wrote: Naelae wrote:
Lets hope he is right to avoid ruining the entire league. At least we still know how to play football instead of pass ball.
So you'd prefer to play a CERTAIN STYLE, rather than play to WIN using the options that are favored by the rules? Naelae prefers a certain style of football the same as you prefer a certain style of football. The two of you prefer different styles. Don't start acting like you care more about winning than playing a CERTAIN STYLE. I do care for winning over a cerytain style, if the rules where changed to make passing impossible and totally favored power running, I would want to go back to a Cowher-like running offense. No you don't, you constantly rail on other ways of winning, disregard, and refuse to consider anything that doesn't align with your preference of how the game should be played. That's why you like the recent rules changes so much, they suit your preference. The way you go on and on about people who merely want a balanced offense, such as happened with Cowher, reveals the truth of your opinion that you fail to realize. You continually characterize everything that happened under Cowher as a power running offense when it was not always the case. You just did it again, if rules were changed to make passing impossible, there would be no option other than having a running offense.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:27 pm |
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You are absolutely wrong, if we reverted to the 1974 rule book today I would agree to tone down the passing and be run heavy.
And I agree, some of Cowher's best years, (94,95,02) and his absolute best playoff run(2005), where fueled by opening up the pass game.
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