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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:45 am 
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Call it luck if you need to, but there is another Pittsburgh quarterback that did something that really didn't involve a freak helmet catch or unlikely sideline toss to the wind. Maybe not the best ever 3-minutes of Super Bowl history but you can't take away the urgency and drama from Big Ben.

Allow me. This is what you all watched live not too long ago, one for the ages.



Imo....the single greatest game winning drive by a qb in sb
history...
Ben has a chance to be one of the best ever....

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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:29 am 
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1. Bart Starr.................11. Bob Griese
2. Terry Bradshaw.......12. Norm Van Brocklin
3. Otto Graham...........13. Bob Waterfield
4. Joe Montana............14. Sid Luckman
5. Johnny Unitas..........15. Tommy Thompson
6. Sammy Baugh.........16. Arnie Herber
7. Roger Staubach.......17. Kurt Warner
8. Troy Aikman............18. Brett Favre
9. Bobby Layne...........19. Len Dawson
10. John Elway............20. Joe Namath

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21. Steve Young...............31. Warren Moon
22. Charlie Conerly..........32. Jim Plunkett
23. Fran Tarkenton..........33. Doug Williams
24. Jack Kemp...................34. Dan Fouts
25. Ed Danowski...............35. Boomer Easiason
26. Daryl Lamonica..........36. Sonny Jurgensen
27. Y.A. Tittle.....................37. Carl Brumbaugh
28. Jim Kelly......................38. Frank Ryan
29. Dan Marino.................39. George Blanda
30. Tobin Rote...................40. Earl Morrall

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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:24 am 
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I'll say this as definitively as you can on an open forum...lol
somewhere in that top 40 are unargueably the 20 greatest ever
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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:10 am 
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SteelerTilIDie wrote:
I'll say this as definitively as you can on an open forum...lol
somewhere in that top 40 are unargueably the 20 greatest ever
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But Tommy Thompson is unarguably not one of them!


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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:27 am 
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SteelerTilIDie wrote:
somewhere in that top 40 are unargueably the 20 greatest ever

This sums up the thread perfectly. lol

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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:37 am 
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Requesting top 40 per era now

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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:49 am 
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1. Bart Starr.....
His only loss ever in the post season was
to a powerhouse Eagles team in 1960, his first full year as
a starter....he led the Packers to consecutive championships
in 61 and 62 over loaded nyg squads...in 63 Starr led the pack
to a haughty albeit not good enough 11-2-1
2nd place with their only losses occuring to the eventual
63 champ Chicago....10 of those wins were 9 point margins
or better......in 64 they finished 2nd in their division again at
8-5-1 behind a powerful 12-2 Colts team...in 65 66 67 Starr
led the pack to an unprecedented in nfl history 3peat of
championships.....from 60-67 his team finished as champs 5
times , runner up once, and very respectable 2nds in division
twice...cont'd....

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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:03 am 
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1. Bart Starr cont'd.....
At the time of his retirement Starr led the nfl in completion
percentage at 57.1 over a 16 yr career and was 2nd only
to Otto Graham in passer rating at 80.5
..He led the nfl in completion % in 62 64 and 66...

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 Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:47 am 
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SteelerTilIDie wrote:
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SteelerTilIDie wrote:
Just thinking out loud.....
31. Warren Moon
32. Doug Williams
33. Dan Fouts
34. Jim Plunkett
35. ???......suggestions?


Given your criteria, how about Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien?


58...your a good guy....but being a prick doesn't suit you at all...
They meet very little parameters and certainly don't belong....
But then again you knew that right?


I definitely have my prick moments, no arguing that.

I love many of the QBs you have chosen here. Unitas is my #1 and always will be. Guy was a fucking stud. Bart Starr is a great choice because he was money when it mattered - probably more than any other QB. Your top ten QBs were fucking money. Can't argue. However, I think if you included current QB's, at the very least Layne and maybe Elway would drop back a few pegs.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Dan Marino. Believe me, I used to cheer against him at Pitt (I'm WVU all the way) and then with the Dolphins. I've always hated Miami and have always thought Shula undeservedly gets more run that the Emperor, therefore cheered against Marino far more than for him. However, I don't think there's a football pundit alive that wouldn't have Marino in his top ten. We can argue about that all day long about how tough eras were and what the competition was. My opinion is guys like Danowski, Thompson and Herber wouldn't last 10 minutes playing football in the 80's. Yours is completely different - I respect that but I don't agree with it. Don't get me wrong - I love and respect the old players - Grange, Nagurski, Whizzer White, etc. I just think that was a different era and not so sure they'd measure up decades later. Like FC said a while ago, baseball is likely the only sport where the greats of decades past would likely dominate today.

You're right, Marino didn't win shit as far as championships go unless you count the AFCCG against us in '84. And again, I will tell you that Marino never had the team around him to win except for that '84 season. His problem then was going up against a QB better than him. Elway never won shit either until he had Terrell Davis in the backfield.

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