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 Post subject: JFK--Hit or Nutter
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:30 pm 
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Just curious what folks think.

On the 10th anniversary of 9/11, another time in our history where we all knew where we were at the time. I was thinking about college. The other moment, the attack on Pearl Harbor, most folks gone from that period of time, RIP.

It's hard to think that our President could be felled by a lone nutter. That is part of it for me. I've gone back and forth on it. I am curious what others think before offering my own view.

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 Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:41 pm 
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Good topic. I'm young enough to have many of the "facts" about the event skewed by Oliver Stone and JFK. I still don't know what he took creative license with and what was truly factual. He certainly made a strong case for the grassy knoll and Oswald being a patsy, but how much of that was true vs. his opinions or good for the movie? It does seem odd to think that a guy in the depository building could do what they say he did. It's also interesting that Oswald was so easily hit afterwards - it certainly has all of the feel of a huge conspiracy, so I guess I have to go with it being a hit, an inside job, or whatever you want to call it.

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let's hope mendenhall doesn't agree with the conspiracy theories. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
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rhino43grr wrote:
let's hope mendenhall doesn't agree with the conspiracy theories. :lol:

lol

I checked his twitter to see if he had anything to say about tomorrow... and he hasn't tweeted since July. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
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Case Closed by Posner is a good read on the subject.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
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I have read that one, KJ, thanks. I also have read Bugliosi's books on the subject.

I find it interesting how cyclical the theories get.

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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
 Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:05 am 
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Great topic MeanJoe, and without getting too political, I am a political conservative who admires JFK. I always did. I know about his infidelities and questionable character, but that never deterred me from understanding his views and his record of service to this country. No he was even close to being our best President, but I believe with the limited time he was given, he did the best job he could. I know it's all debatable, but that's how I feel about him.

Back to your topic MeanJoe, I used to believe that his assassination was a conspiracy. When I was in high school, I attended a seminar at a local college debating this issue. The man who was the key speaker was a conspiracy theorist who showed the Zapruder film complete with up close shots of the frames of the head shot. Even today, I have a hard time looking at it. But how in the hell could his head be going backward after being shot from behind?

Two things have changed my mind to believing it was Oswald since that time. The first is Posner's book as KJ mentioned. It really is an excellent read, and if you haven't read it and are interested in the assassination, you should pick it up. The second thing that I watch was an ABC special on the assassination back in '03 on the 40th anniversary. It used the most current technology to disprove all of the conspiracy theories - many brought up in the Oliver Stone film.

The Warren Commission did a shitty job, but they were rushed by LBJ and others to come up with results as quick as they could. The House Assassination committee of the late 70's did a little better but not much.

The one thing that I never hear mentioned is what the Kennedy family thinks. They have never ever questioned the Warren Commission findings, nor have they had word one to say about the conspiracy itself. You would think that if they had doubts given their political clout over the years that they would be the frontrunners to see that justice be done to the true killer or killers of their fallen family member. Unless it has all been kept under wraps, there's been nothing from the family. Makes me think that they know the truth. And the truth is Oswald was the lone assassin and as much as the Warren Commission bungled, they got it right.

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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
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Great post, as always, Jack.

I haven't read anything, on one side or the other, that makes me believe one side or the other on this. Part of my questioning, I realize, is a complete fucking disbelief that some lone nutjob could off the President of the United States. I guess that colors a lot of the way I feel about it.

Stone's film was emotionally compelling but a mess when you dissect it. However, I'm not sold either way, as I said.

It's true that the Warren Commission was rushed. It was the time of the cold war and the last thing anyone wanted was for our public to go ballistic over Castro or the USSR behind the assassination of our President.

Oswald just looks like a puppet to me, I dunno. And the fact that he was murdered before coming to trial, and the words from jack ruby before he died. Strange.

I'm open for discussion, thanks for chiming in guys.

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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
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Also, interesting your personal odyssey, Jack. I have noted that it seems that the arc has moved, significantly, from a belief (and popular theories) in conspiracy, to one of lone nutter. Will it arc back? I don't know, but I think it's interesting how it moved so dramatically. I'd love to see all that evidence that is locked away. What the fuck is that all about. That in itself screams something to me.

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 Post subject: Re: JFK--Hit or Nutter
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If it was a conspiracy, who do you think was behind it? JFK pissed off a lot of people during his time - the Soviets, the Communist Cubans, the Free Cubans, La Cosa Nostra, Hoover, LBJ, Hoffa and the Teamsters, etc.

When you look back at the JFK assassination, you could almost say that was the turning point for a lot of things for this country. The early 60's and the Kennedy years were really an extension of the 50's. Many say the 60's started the day after JFK was shot.

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