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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:11 pm 
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Are we gonna show all of our 1st 2nd 3rd 4th down and 2pt plays tonight??

That is I expect to throw the ball a lot, no need to show our whole run run pass playbook..We save that shit for the regular season lol

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:53 pm 
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FC wrote:
My negative tone was a direct result of the expected reaction by the Steelers to both Bell and Blount being benched.

This is the type of team that gives the Steelers fits..If the Steelers are going to be improved you we will see it tonight.

I wish the Eagles still had Jackson....I want to see the Steelers put into blender and see what happens.

I want the mentality of this team tested. I question the toughness of this team...That's not an uncommon thing. I also question the intelligence of this team on the field.... I believe that is a big problem on the horizon....Dumb soft teams finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

They get beat by Terelle Pryor or Brady Quinn hell they lose to Tim Tebow in the playoffs.

Maybe its back to back 8-8 seasons...I don't see the light. Before anyone puts up a Blues Bros or James Brown video...Stop it. I live 2 miles from where James Brown went postal with his angel dust and rifle....8th easiest schedule I know...They will find a way to fuck it up.


There were lots of reasons why this team was 8-8 -- two of them -- INJURIES -- and a serious lack of talent due to horrible drafts.

The team is healthy now, and this year and last year's drafts added a ton of talent to this team.

I expect much better results and a much better team.

Tonite (first half) will be a good test.

I don't know how the Cheech and Chong situation will affect things tonite, but i am expecting us to EXCEL.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:55 pm 
I have no clue why anyone would expect a decline in injury rate...it's been pretty static for about the last 5 years and nothing has changed.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:16 pm 
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Steelers were soft brief period in the 80's. For almost 50 years I've equated Steeler football with toughness. Hated Gilbert for being soft, knocked around, folded with first punch, retreating, taking other guys out. That was then, he just signed a deal, he's an indicator to me. We're fucked if he plays like a made man and goes soft. He has to prove it.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:00 pm 
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FC wrote:
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.I stand by my 6 wins 3rd in the AFC prediction



FC right again --

We suck in all 3 phases --

O is the worst -
ST is next
D is tied with ST

Coaching -- we are totally outclassed by Philly

We may be taking a step BACKWARDS this year -- Didn't think that was possible.

WOW -- this could be bad


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:23 pm 
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I do the pre game around here for a reason. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:42 pm 
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FC wrote:
I do the pre game around here for a reason. ;)


FC I tend think your better than neener neener nonsense mate.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:47 pm 
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I did not mean it that way...Or anything directed at you or any posters who disagreed.

I kinda expected the Steelers to lay an egg.

Steelers teams have not handled adversity very well over the past few years

Facing the Eagles the wheels can come off the track pretty quick.

Trust me I checked my ego at the door 10 years ago...I just catch so much shit when I am wrong. I am wrong from time to time. Tonight I wish I was wrong

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:49 pm 
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No pass rush or pressure
Poor tackling
Lack of receiver talent
Lack of edge blocking talent
Poor offensive plan/concepts about what they want to do
Sucked all the life out of the team- attacking offense and defense of the Super Bowl era is now as boring as any team in the nfl.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:46 pm 
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Guess I'll answer myself here
steelcity512 wrote:
-Can Shazier duplicate his performance from last week?

-Will the NT's perform well enough to calm the boards anxiety regarding run defense?

-Will Jarvis look good rushing the passer?

-Will Bryant get any snaps with Ben?

-Will Mitchell make his presence felt in a positive way?

-Will Landry Jones shit himself?

-Will Sharknado knock someone the fuck out?

-Will the O-line block?

-Will Wing continue to suck?

-How often will we throw down field?

-How soon into the game will Philly cheese steaks and Primanti Bros sandwiches be mentioned?

1.No
2.No
3.No
4.No
5.No
6.No
7.No
8.Ehh
9.Absolutely
10.Not enough
11.I know Geno's cheesesteaks were mentioned, not sure about Primanti's


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:38 am 
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FC wrote:
I question the toughness of this team... I also question the intelligence of this team on the field.... I believe that is a big problem on the horizon....

So many of your points in this thread are spot on, FC, but for me these are the most unsettling.
I would add to what I bolded that any questions about the intelligence of this team are not limited to what happens on the field.
...obviously...

The mental breakdowns, character concerns, and falling way short in heart or pride regardless of talent are like a recurring nightmare with this team, and the most glaring issue for me is the complete lack of discipline.
...obviously...

What's clearly absent is any standard for these grown-ass men to look to as an example of how not to act like spoiled, selfish, entitled brats.
...obviously...

It's not on the horizon, either. This team has looked like a bunch of gutless, heartless kids at the worst possible times for a few years now...looking back, it really started to deteriorate about halftime of the last superbowl loss, and has steadily gotten worse.
...obviously...

So, who should be held accountable for the general lack of maturity and discipline permeating the entire team?
...umm...do I really need to say it? :?
FC wrote:
Dumb soft teams finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

gee, ya think?
They're also coached by dumb, soft HCs, especially when it becomes a pattern...

He was actually stupid enough to say in his post game presser:
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what happened yesterday had nothing to do with our performance tonight

The fool just doesn't get it, and I am done with buying into his pseudo-intelligent shyster drivel.

Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:24 am 
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FC wrote:
I think Bell and Blount will be fine...I think both run like bulls in a china shop.

I question players surrounding them.

I am not saying the Steelers do not have tough players. I am saying players have plenty to prove

Players like

Beachum
Pouncey
Gilbert
Wheaton
Bryant
Shazier
Tuitt
Heyward
Timmons(Playing the buck)
Jones
Mitchell

If I am going to buy in....I have to be sold....I am not sold.

I know some of you are all in....I say right on. I am not.

Toughness is not only physical...Its mental.

Playing the right gap
Taking on the block with the correct shoulder
Not chasing the ball

Its moving your feet and sticking with blocks
Its playing to the echo of the whistle.

Its form tackling and making plays.


Prophetic.

I am not sold either. I am not bought in. I despise the Browns, and an upset at Heinz in Week 1 wouldn't surprise me in the least right now, Manziel or Hoyer.

I'm not Chicken Little. More like Debbie Downer. I'm saying more of the same, unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:28 am 
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Steeledge wrote:
Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:


Maybe it won't be.

Maybe now people might start thinking that just because Ben says he wants to retire a Steeler doesn't mean he actually WILL retire a Steeler?

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:07 am 
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My guess is Haley wanted him for that one play that they run.

After that - he's got no idea what to do with him.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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Jeemie wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:


Maybe it won't be.

Maybe now people might start thinking that just because Ben says he wants to retire a Steeler doesn't mean he actually WILL retire a Steeler?

if this season is another 8-8 or even worse, the Rooneys may be faced with a very hard choice at the end of 2014...
Mikey T or Ben R?

If the choice were mine, it couldn't be easier...

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:25 am 
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Steeledge wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:


Maybe it won't be.

Maybe now people might start thinking that just because Ben says he wants to retire a Steeler doesn't mean he actually WILL retire a Steeler?

if this season is another 8-8 or even worse, the Rooneys may be faced with a very hard choice at the end of 2014...
Mikey T or Ben R?

If the choice were mine, it couldn't be easier...


I make easier decisions at the bagel store.

No brainer.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:49 am 
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Tomlin is showing himself to be mediocre at best. We all know that. But, we all know he can win with great talent. Talent can overcome mediocre coaching. Right now, as I look at this roster, I'm getting depressed. FC is right that it is lacking TALENT.

I wish I could put last night's debacle on "mental mistakes" and "lack of discipline". At least that would give me some hope for the season. But, what I saw on film was a D that was physically overmatched. Dline was driven off the ball. LBs were slow and weak. On the Eagles first TD, it is downright depressing watching Jarvis first taking false steps and then try to pursue and being totally outrun by Jason Kelce 20 yards downfield and get schooled.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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Jarvis and Worilds spent so much time out of position. Worilds got sucked to the opposite side of the field when he had the left edge responsibility, something which just can't happen. Ever. Jones played some at ILB/WLB and he was hideous... floating in space, guessing late and wrong, being physically overmatched.

Anybody who has the heart to re-watch-- look long and hard at the WRs we're trotting out there. With the obvious exception of AB, who is a hell of a football player, they can't block, they utterly lack explosion in their routes, they are not great at catching the football, they do absolutely nothing special. There are worse WRs in the NFL than Wheaton but you could cut Justin Brown, Markus Wheaton, Lance Moore, Kashif Moore, Derek Moye, David Paulson, Will Johnson, virtually every CB, both back up QBs every running back not named Blount/Bell/ Dri, and all but 6 or 7 OL tomorrow with utterly no long term effects on the season nor the franchise as a whole. That tells me you've got a talent problem.

I'd be perfectly content to have AB, Bryant, DHB, and a waiver wire slot guy, with the three RBs and our pedestrian TEs. At least then we could threaten downfield and over the middle, we could block the edges, and we might have a prayer at turning FG misses into TDs.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jarvis and Worilds spent so much time out of position. Worilds got sucked to the opposite side of the field when he had the left edge responsibility, something which just can't happen. Ever.


Not exactly a ten million dollar man so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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franco32 wrote:
Tomlin is showing himself to be mediocre at best. We all know that. But, we all know he can win with great talent. Talent can overcome mediocre coaching. Right now, as I look at this roster, I'm getting depressed. FC is right that it is lacking TALENT.

I wish I could put last night's debacle on "mental mistakes" and "lack of discipline". At least that would give me some hope for the season. But, what I saw on film was a D that was physically overmatched. Dline was driven off the ball. LBs were slow and weak. On the Eagles first TD, it is downright depressing watching Jarvis first taking false steps and then try to pursue and being totally outrun by Jason Kelce 20 yards downfield and get schooled.



I don't know about that.

Great coaches need guys who can play their system.

Is Michael Vick more "talented" than Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez?

YES

Does Chip Kelly need Vick to be successful?

NO

Kelly takes 2 "crappy" QBs who would fail everywhere else, and turns them into Joe Montana lookalikes (granted, it was against the horrible Steelers D, but still - Foles looked good last year too)

Is Desean Jackson more talented than every WR on the Eagles roster?

YES

Does Kelly need or want him?

NO

My point is, it's not so much the talent as it is the other aspects that a coach will bring out in a player -- attitude, courage, "want to"

I see a serious lack of coaching intangibles with the Steelers. We have a 3-time Super Bowl QB and a HOF on defense. We have tons of 1 and 2 round draft picks. We have an expensive roster.

Could it be that "talent" isn't what we're lacking, but rather COACHING?


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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BarryFoster wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
if this season is another 8-8 or even worse, the Rooneys may be faced with a very hard choice at the end of 2014...
Mikey T or Ben R?

If the choice were mine, it couldn't be easier...


I make easier decisions at the bagel store.

No brainer.


There's two people that have a choice here.

You're ignoring one of them.

Ben has a choice.

You think maybe he is not liking what he sees here?

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Jeemie wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
if this season is another 8-8 or even worse, the Rooneys may be faced with a very hard choice at the end of 2014...
Mikey T or Ben R?

If the choice were mine, it couldn't be easier...


I make easier decisions at the bagel store.

No brainer.


There's two people that have a choice here.

You're ignoring one of them.

Ben has a choice.

You think maybe he is not liking what he sees here?


I thought you were suggesting if you had to choose between Mike and Ben, you would choose.....

I understand Ben has freedom to choose as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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Last night was the first time it really hit home that Ben has a very limited window on a team that looked really shitty.

The idea that Ben can just will the offense to victory needs to be barred from the board.

Ben did not play well, but I saw throws that sailed into the great nothing due to WRs clearly fucking up their routes.

Ben, AB, and what?

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jarvis and Worilds spent so much time out of position. Worilds got sucked to the opposite side of the field when he had the left edge responsibility, something which just can't happen. Ever. Jones played some at ILB/WLB and he was hideous... floating in space, guessing late and wrong, being physically overmatched.

Anybody who has the heart to re-watch-- look long and hard at the WRs we're trotting out there. With the obvious exception of AB, who is a hell of a football player, they can't block, they utterly lack explosion in their routes, they are not great at catching the football, they do absolutely nothing special. There are worse WRs in the NFL than Wheaton but you could cut Justin Brown, Markus Wheaton, Lance Moore, Kashif Moore, Derek Moye, David Paulson, Will Johnson, virtually every CB, both back up QBs every running back not named Blount/Bell/ Dri, and all but 6 or 7 OL tomorrow with utterly no long term effects on the season nor the franchise as a whole. That tells me you've got a talent problem.

I'd be perfectly content to have AB, Bryant, DHB, and a waiver wire slot guy, with the three RBs and our pedestrian TEs. At least then we could threaten downfield and over the middle, we could block the edges, and we might have a prayer at turning FG misses into TDs.
wheaton has looked emmanuel sandersish to me. Which is okay for a 2nd year guy, but certainly not something that is going to drive this offense forward. The other WR spot is the killer. What is ben at, 1 completion for 6 yards to wrs other than brown/wheaton through 3 games? But overall, yeah. Not very impressed.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
No pass rush or pressure
Poor tackling
Lack of receiver talent
Lack of edge blocking talent
Poor offensive plan/concepts about what they want to do
Sucked all the life out of the team- attacking offense and defense of the Super Bowl era is now as boring as any team in the nfl.


All of these were and are my preseason concerns. I simply don't trust the powers that be to change any of their trends and beliefs.


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