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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:45 pm 
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i am interested in:

1. can we glean anything at all from how they play tonight as to whether we can expect anything other than philosophy-as-usual to start this year. i want to see a change in the aggression of the D and O;
2. can wheaton or bryant step-up to really help this rearm this year -- i don't trust Moore;
3. the run game -- do we have any chance with this OL of running effectively this year. i know -- due to ben -- we can pass if he can be protected just a little. i am not sure we can run the ball well at all.
4. the play of the D across all positions. i believe the O can be good if it is unshackled and allowed to be creative/dynamic -- this is just a choice. i am not so sure the D can be good enough no matter what -- i fear they will be taken apart by decent to good pass attacks.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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I think Bell and Blount will be fine...I think both run like bulls in a china shop.

I question players surrounding them.

I am not saying the Steelers do not have tough players. I am saying players have plenty to prove

Players like

Beachum
Pouncey
Gilbert
Wheaton
Bryant
Shazier
Tuitt
Heyward
Timmons(Playing the buck)
Jones
Mitchell

If I am going to buy in....I have to be sold....I am not sold.

I know some of you are all in....I say right on. I am not.

Toughness is not only physical...Its mental.

Playing the right gap
Taking on the block with the correct shoulder
Not chasing the ball

Its moving your feet and sticking with blocks
Its playing to the echo of the whistle.

Its form tackling and making plays.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:55 pm 
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FC wrote:
Toughness is not only physical...Its mental.



Totally agree. I think few on this team are mentally tough.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:57 pm 
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FC wrote:
I think Bell and Blount will be fine...I think both run like bulls in a china shop.

I question players surrounding them.

I am not saying the Steelers do not have tough players. I am saying players have plenty to prove

Players like

Beachum
Pouncey
Gilbert
Wheaton
Bryant
Shazier
Tuitt
Heyward
Timmons(Playing the buck)
Jones
Mitchell

If I am going to buy in....I have to be sold....I am not sold.

I know some of you are all in....I say right on. I am not.

Toughness is not only physical...Its mental.

Playing the right gap
Taking on the block with the correct shoulder
Not chasing the ball

Its moving your feet and sticking with blocks
Its playing to the echo of the whistle.

Its form tackling and making plays.


Im not all in or close to it. I may have a more upbeat outlook but that doesnt mean I dont see issues on the horizon for PS. I do, I will be very surprised if the first half of the season isnt a struggle. If they can get through that 1st half at 500 or better they will have a decent season. Youth at so many positions scares me, because I dont mind physical mistakes I cannot stand mental ones and that will be more evident on a team so many young players.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:00 pm 
I agree with most of the criticisms to this point.

Needless to say I'm very impressed with Shaz's performance game 1. I don't think the questions I have regarding gap integrity and tackling will be fully answered for quite some time. I'm much more optimistic about his use in coverage then I was going into the season...provided Tomlin continues to man him up as per pick rather then play him in zone exclusively as per usual of the LBs.

I'm almost completely sold on Tuitt already. He has a very bright future imo. The physicality, the motor, to a large degree the technique is there.

I expect Mitchell to start to show up this week.

You goofy bastard theory- S Thomas at CB....

Very disappointed in Moore...he isn't much faster then Miller. I've been critical of Archers value...but I'm all for moving him into the slot right now...and Bryant to the 2 WR in the red zone.

I sit Bell and Blount...but that's another story.

Single greatest concern is the Oline.

I share FC's concern on general toughness. I agree with Jeemie on team smarts.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:11 pm 
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Are we gonna show all of our 1st 2nd 3rd 4th down and 2pt plays tonight??

That is I expect to throw the ball a lot, no need to show our whole run run pass playbook..We save that shit for the regular season lol


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:53 pm 
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FC wrote:
My negative tone was a direct result of the expected reaction by the Steelers to both Bell and Blount being benched.

This is the type of team that gives the Steelers fits..If the Steelers are going to be improved you we will see it tonight.

I wish the Eagles still had Jackson....I want to see the Steelers put into blender and see what happens.

I want the mentality of this team tested. I question the toughness of this team...That's not an uncommon thing. I also question the intelligence of this team on the field.... I believe that is a big problem on the horizon....Dumb soft teams finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

They get beat by Terelle Pryor or Brady Quinn hell they lose to Tim Tebow in the playoffs.

Maybe its back to back 8-8 seasons...I don't see the light. Before anyone puts up a Blues Bros or James Brown video...Stop it. I live 2 miles from where James Brown went postal with his angel dust and rifle....8th easiest schedule I know...They will find a way to fuck it up.


There were lots of reasons why this team was 8-8 -- two of them -- INJURIES -- and a serious lack of talent due to horrible drafts.

The team is healthy now, and this year and last year's drafts added a ton of talent to this team.

I expect much better results and a much better team.

Tonite (first half) will be a good test.

I don't know how the Cheech and Chong situation will affect things tonite, but i am expecting us to EXCEL.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:55 pm 
I have no clue why anyone would expect a decline in injury rate...it's been pretty static for about the last 5 years and nothing has changed.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:16 pm 
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Steelers were soft brief period in the 80's. For almost 50 years I've equated Steeler football with toughness. Hated Gilbert for being soft, knocked around, folded with first punch, retreating, taking other guys out. That was then, he just signed a deal, he's an indicator to me. We're fucked if he plays like a made man and goes soft. He has to prove it.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:00 pm 
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FC wrote:
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.I stand by my 6 wins 3rd in the AFC prediction



FC right again --

We suck in all 3 phases --

O is the worst -
ST is next
D is tied with ST

Coaching -- we are totally outclassed by Philly

We may be taking a step BACKWARDS this year -- Didn't think that was possible.

WOW -- this could be bad


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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I do the pre game around here for a reason. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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FC wrote:
I do the pre game around here for a reason. ;)


FC I tend think your better than neener neener nonsense mate.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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I did not mean it that way...Or anything directed at you or any posters who disagreed.

I kinda expected the Steelers to lay an egg.

Steelers teams have not handled adversity very well over the past few years

Facing the Eagles the wheels can come off the track pretty quick.

Trust me I checked my ego at the door 10 years ago...I just catch so much shit when I am wrong. I am wrong from time to time. Tonight I wish I was wrong

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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No pass rush or pressure
Poor tackling
Lack of receiver talent
Lack of edge blocking talent
Poor offensive plan/concepts about what they want to do
Sucked all the life out of the team- attacking offense and defense of the Super Bowl era is now as boring as any team in the nfl.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
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Guess I'll answer myself here
steelcity512 wrote:
-Can Shazier duplicate his performance from last week?

-Will the NT's perform well enough to calm the boards anxiety regarding run defense?

-Will Jarvis look good rushing the passer?

-Will Bryant get any snaps with Ben?

-Will Mitchell make his presence felt in a positive way?

-Will Landry Jones shit himself?

-Will Sharknado knock someone the fuck out?

-Will the O-line block?

-Will Wing continue to suck?

-How often will we throw down field?

-How soon into the game will Philly cheese steaks and Primanti Bros sandwiches be mentioned?

1.No
2.No
3.No
4.No
5.No
6.No
7.No
8.Ehh
9.Absolutely
10.Not enough
11.I know Geno's cheesesteaks were mentioned, not sure about Primanti's


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:38 am 
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FC wrote:
I question the toughness of this team... I also question the intelligence of this team on the field.... I believe that is a big problem on the horizon....

So many of your points in this thread are spot on, FC, but for me these are the most unsettling.
I would add to what I bolded that any questions about the intelligence of this team are not limited to what happens on the field.
...obviously...

The mental breakdowns, character concerns, and falling way short in heart or pride regardless of talent are like a recurring nightmare with this team, and the most glaring issue for me is the complete lack of discipline.
...obviously...

What's clearly absent is any standard for these grown-ass men to look to as an example of how not to act like spoiled, selfish, entitled brats.
...obviously...

It's not on the horizon, either. This team has looked like a bunch of gutless, heartless kids at the worst possible times for a few years now...looking back, it really started to deteriorate about halftime of the last superbowl loss, and has steadily gotten worse.
...obviously...

So, who should be held accountable for the general lack of maturity and discipline permeating the entire team?
...umm...do I really need to say it? :?
FC wrote:
Dumb soft teams finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

gee, ya think?
They're also coached by dumb, soft HCs, especially when it becomes a pattern...

He was actually stupid enough to say in his post game presser:
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what happened yesterday had nothing to do with our performance tonight

The fool just doesn't get it, and I am done with buying into his pseudo-intelligent shyster drivel.

Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:24 am 
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FC wrote:
I think Bell and Blount will be fine...I think both run like bulls in a china shop.

I question players surrounding them.

I am not saying the Steelers do not have tough players. I am saying players have plenty to prove

Players like

Beachum
Pouncey
Gilbert
Wheaton
Bryant
Shazier
Tuitt
Heyward
Timmons(Playing the buck)
Jones
Mitchell

If I am going to buy in....I have to be sold....I am not sold.

I know some of you are all in....I say right on. I am not.

Toughness is not only physical...Its mental.

Playing the right gap
Taking on the block with the correct shoulder
Not chasing the ball

Its moving your feet and sticking with blocks
Its playing to the echo of the whistle.

Its form tackling and making plays.


Prophetic.

I am not sold either. I am not bought in. I despise the Browns, and an upset at Heinz in Week 1 wouldn't surprise me in the least right now, Manziel or Hoyer.

I'm not Chicken Little. More like Debbie Downer. I'm saying more of the same, unfortunately.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:28 am 
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Steeledge wrote:
Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:


Maybe it won't be.

Maybe now people might start thinking that just because Ben says he wants to retire a Steeler doesn't mean he actually WILL retire a Steeler?

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:07 am 
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My guess is Haley wanted him for that one play that they run.

After that - he's got no idea what to do with him.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers Eagles things that interest me
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:17 am 
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Jeemie wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.
...tragic, considering this will be Ben's swansong as well... :cry:


Maybe it won't be.

Maybe now people might start thinking that just because Ben says he wants to retire a Steeler doesn't mean he actually WILL retire a Steeler?

if this season is another 8-8 or even worse, the Rooneys may be faced with a very hard choice at the end of 2014...
Mikey T or Ben R?

If the choice were mine, it couldn't be easier...

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